Unlike other reviewers, I actually raised the seat from its original position in order to better fit my legs underneath it for kneeling. Plenty of room for her and the German Shorthair Pointer. I like the look, weight and feel of the boat. I purchased my Pack Canoe back in 1986 and have used it for many years on all types of water bodies, in all weather conditions,for easy recreational use, and for extended canoe tripping. I routinely put the same amount of weight in the canoe without trouble, but I distribute it. I bought a 2001 Pack about three months ago and have used it about six times. After 28 years of use I am having to do my first patch job on an interior crack, obtained while shooting over one of the 30+ beaver dams on the Oswegatchie river. We have a lot of tight creeks and small rivers in our area and the Pack out manuevers a lot of supposed whitewater canoes and kayaks. When you take a solo canoe and use it as a tandem, you can't expect great results. I use a 240cm. Kept it for a couple of years and then sold it to a very happy buyer. I paddled for about an hour and half and then had to attend to other business. Hands down it was the GCI seat for comfort and back support. I recently purchased a used Old Town Pack canoe after having looked for one for quite a while. Here's what I mean: over the seven hour trip, the boat gave me one or two of those "I'm going over" telegrams. Weighing in at 33 pounds, the Old Town Pack Canoe needs only 4” of water to slip through. It needed minor work. The little creek near home is extremely rocky and shallow with many obstructions like fallen trees. Trying to lower seat so I can use a seat with a back. And much like Greywolf, it was a dream to tie the pup to my belt, pick up my drybox in one hand, and snatch up that canoe with the paddle lashed to the thwart and seat, and head to the roof rack with it... Those folks at the picnic table a ways off just looked on with amazement. I like to tinker, so I drew up a plan for a new front thwart/foot brace/rod holder/tackle shelf/bungee deck. To exceed that weight places more of the bow and stern in the water, as opposed to the wide flat bottom, and makes the boat much more tippy. The third and final modification I made to the Pack was to add some foot pegs (I chose the Yakima pegs after reading of problems using the all-plastic pegs). Absolutely, without question, the best value in the canoe world. I've wanted an Old Town Pack since I first saw one. I find that this boat tracks as well as one would expect for this style of boat. The royalex hull flexes over rocky creekbeds. Also, if you tilt it to the gunwale, it's going over. With all that muck in the water, filtering would be problematical at best so we'd need to haul a gallon/day for the week and none of my kayaks could haul that much water. However it just didn't feel right so I practiced my J-stroke with the beavertail paddle and that also improved the tracking. Yes, it isn't the best at tracking but if you have some experience and don't rush it, it does what you want it to. That position and the short, 12 ft. length are insurance against high winds, which are pretty standard in the Oregon Cascades. Would recommend to anyone but try it out first to see if you like it. As long as I kept hips face front at midline on the seat - not a single hint of this tipping telegram. An extremely practical little boat, the Old Town Pack is built for abuse, if not speed. It is amazing what you can pack in a canoe over a kayak. I am very dissatisfied with its performance and stability....going to sell it asap. For more information please read our, Spend Some Time During Your Vacation At The Wine Bar at The Nell, How To Pan Fry Your Steak Perfectly — Everytime, Calphalon Has The Cookware You Need For The Holiday Season, 5 Stackable Dumbbells That Will Kickstart Your Weight Loss Resolutions, The 5 Best Hangover Cures to Get You Through the Holidays, This Fat Burning Supplement Will Give You 3x More Weight Loss. The Royalex construction is nearly indestructible, and essentially impervious to UV. Great for large bodies of water if I am trying to cross for fishing or hunting...or running miles up the river to get to a spot. I have used it mainly in rocky easy class 1 - 2 stuff. With the stock seat location, the average paddler will find the bow much too high resulting in a ‘tippy’ and poorly tracking canoe. Old Town Pack Canoe($919 in Royalex, oldtowncanoe.com) If you want a straight tracking canoe, look at the Wenonah solo canoes. That didn’t help tracking much and the shafts hit the gunnels and dripped into the boat. Aces all around. Found I lost some speed in the change from 3.25mph to 2.5. On open water, it does great if you put some weight in the front. I expected that would be the case with any boat. It turns RIGHT NOW when you nudge it in a different direction. I love my Pack; but when I took my wife for a ride sitting in the front, it handled like a tugboat. Don't know how that is possible but he seemed like an honest man. Our recreational canoes are ideal for paddling calm water and are durable and built for stability. After reading the reviews, I bought it. The Pack also oil canned much more than previous larger Old Towns; actually kind of scary how flimsy the bottom was. I had a pack canoe. Shop similar products. This really is a great boat, 10 out of 10! Again it worked great and kept me on top during the 4 hour trip. I have owned the Old Town Tripper, Discovery, Guide, and Pack canoes and have found the Pack to be the most versatile, fun, and easy to use. This boat does not track well empty. Loading up a backpack, and fishing gear, the Pack was just the right size and weight to carry through those long wooded portages balanced on my backpack frame. Being designed for whitewater, they have obvious advantages, but the Pack is so quick I can thread around a lot of the problems they need their advantages to deal with. I can clearly see where a double bladed paddle would be handy for covering a lot of water but for now I am going to buy a nice wooden 54" paddle and enjoy it for what it is. I still have not done the Green but I did do the Lower Colorado below Hoover Dam. I start with some thing like a C, then finish with a J, rudder or pry as warranted. Old Town 12' Pack Canoe: 1986 Old Town catalog page for the 12' Pack: I picked up my first Pack canoe on a 1987 trip to Montana, but I made the mistake of selling it about 2004. Since I prefer the single paddle over the double, this won't be an issue as I only got the yak paddle for wind emergencies. Still had a great time, didn't swamp. Not good in heavy wind/waves, but I didn't expect it to be. My duties as a single father, to a daughter born April 5, 2011, have also kept me off the water somewhat. I have not lowered the seat and find it just fine as it came. I stumbled across this canoe at a local dealer, noticed how light it was and thought I better come here and check the reviews. Yes, the Pack has exceeded all my expectations, the only thing left is to do a week down the Colorado River living out of the boat. Last year I took her into the middle of a large lake and felt totally at ease after not being in a boat of ANY kind for over 4 years. As someone who had primarily paddled Clipper fiberglass canoes with rigid hulls, and felt that was what I preferred, I was reluctant about buying the Pack. To shorten the saga of the search for a longer kayak paddle -- Just go to the Bending Branches web site, call the the sales department, ask how much it costs (minimal given the net results) for a special order 270cm Slice kayak paddle and then go to your local paddling store with the information to have them place an order. I have not severely tested the secondary stability of the boat, but I have felt that this boat is very stable with the factory seat height. Also with 2 bad knees and a frozen shoulder I still had no difficulties getting the Pack up a steep rocky river bank at the takeout. I didn’t lower the seat, as many have done here, but did replace it and move it forward to about 3” behind center. Beautiful old town canoe. and find this canoe to be very unstable. I have recently added a Reflection Dagger 15 to the stable, and I'm going to rig it for a Summer 2013 solo run of the length of the Missouri River as it flows through the state of Missouri, some 550 miles. I can vary my leg position, sometimes sitting cross legged and at other times with legs out stretched. One of the reasons I went from a kayak back to a canoe was so I would have a choice in either sitting or kneeling. It’s beautiful, stable, light, comfortable, fast, tracks like a dream, absolutely no oil canning. I put it all back the way I had it...and love it all the more. In the spring I run a few class 2&3 rivers and manage to pry my cheeks apart after the day is over and the pack is doing fine. I bought mine through the outfitting co-op to which I belong at Old Town's MSRP. Lighter being the main reason (33 lbs vs about 45 lbs). I am sure that stability and trim will be improved when I pack it with a weeks worth of gear for an extended float trip, which I cannot wait to do in this gem of a canoe. I'm hoping the royalex is as tough as the polylink since I'm on the Susquehanna most of the time and it gets pretty rocky in places. I never use it... extremely hard to load, carry, etc. This leveled out the boat and increased stability to the point that I raised the seat directly under the gunnels. I purchased my OT Pack last summer. No more tracking troubles, light and easy paddling - I highly recommend trying a kayak paddle. I found an ad for a OT Pack for $200 so rushed out, looked it over and handed over the cash. And it is a keepsake that I hope to pass on to my son. The awful plastic gunnels and trim puts it one step above a Coleman (the constant creaking would scare away the fish!). Maneuverability is very good. You should take the Pack out on your favorite pond or lake and learn it's limits. I've had it out on several multi-day overnights – handles all my gear easily, and I am not a light packer! I was on the fence between the Pack and the dealer-recommended, more-expensive Wenonahs. If you're single, this is your canoe. The Pack features a V entry hull which helps aid straight line paddling. I finally wore it out - it developed a crack in the bottom - which I patched with some super good epoxy and fiberglass mesh. I use a backrest and have the seat lowered 2 inches. < P> L: 12′; W:32″; D: 11.5″, 33 lbs. Used Old Town Pack Canoe Solo -Made of tough Royalex, this recreational canoe is so lightweight that anyone who can paddle solo can carry it. Old Town Pack RX Solo Canoe. Overall I am happy with this boat. 7 watchers. There Is a 100 Years of Heritage Built into Every Old Town Canoe. I wouldn't sell it for any price! Living in Oregon, with lots of great options, I needed a boat I could manhandle by myself and a seating position that did not aggravate my lower back, I have found that boat. On lakes the pack seems sluggish until I just really get my paddle strikes going. barge I've been using for the past umpteen years. The Pack 12 is very tippy and tracks poorly. Quicker strokes equal better tracking on this short canoe. It also handles well because it's only 12' long. “All in all, though, you get a lot of boat for $900. I did add the folding back padded canoe seat I bought in Ely and during those long river pools or quiet lake days when I get tired of kneeling it sure makes life nice. A primary advantage of the 12' Pack is that it fits within a full size van so the regiment involving rack mounting is eliminated. I did not lower the seat but I made an Adirondack style seat back that folds down for storage/transport. I plan on doing some white water this summer with it. You only need about 4 inches of water. However, for Father's Day 2007 my sons gave me an Old Town Pack. Very pleasant. It has bought back the spontaneity to canoeing that I missed. Adirondack Canoe Company is the culmination of our early exposure to the joy and craftsmanship of boat building, and the platform to carry forward and share our lifelong passion for canoeing. I had a problem with lowering the seat. It requires skill to handle safely on larger lakes under windy conditions and also requires a good working knowledge of canoe strokes to appreciate, and enjoy, how it moves through the water. I dropped $10 on Ash and went to work. I am a big guy 6'2" and never felt crowded. So far I have taken the canoe down class II rapids on the Delaware River in PA and White River in VT. I bought it because rental companies in the Asheville area didn't permit me to bring along my trusty canine companions for fear of what?..I don't know. After I washed it and put two coats of carnuba wax it looked great even with the tire tread marks down the side from it falling off my uncles truck driving down the highway. I don't see the Pack or my old Grumman ever leaving my fleet. Features. Since then I have paddled it most weekends. It's set up as a 2 seat but handles much better spun around as a solo. Stable and handled the rare "whitewater" with ease. (in spite of the rain) It is all that everyone says it is. Maneuverable. I've done a few multi-day trips with it and it holds a lot of gear. kayak paddle and my dog and I have been going out each weekend. One of mine is a 15 foot Old Town Discovery Sport, squareback. Sometimes I sit on the side, like Becky Mason, which helps with speed. My wife got it for me for father's day at an outrageously cheap price and I couldn't be happier with the boat. I always lower the seat or install my own with solo canoes. I still take along a single blade paddle to navigate twisting streams. 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