This might be a speed and pressure problem. So now I had to fill in the old cabinet holes and drill new ones to match the holes on the other doors. It also doesn't matter that much (with this setup) if you drill before or after finishing. by Regan » Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:59 pm, Post After my kitchen was featured in Better Homes & Gardens, there were a few new people who came over and asked how I covered the old hardware holes that were in the center of my cabinets. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. by the older brother » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:17 pm. If you drill after, and the paint is cured. If you drill before, and don't load up the paint, the holes should remain relatively clean. After the first coating of the joint compound has dried off, sand the holes using a 220-grit sandpaper. . This […] Hold a rag underneath to catch drips. Take the time before you apply any paint on your next project to fill all of the gaps, cracks, and nail holes. Do you drill the 35mm cup holes before or after applying the finish? How to Drill for Door & Drawer Pulls. I have just had in the last month or so a refin of a brand new body and a 66 body. He writes: In the past when I’ve built bookshelves and entertainment centers I drill all of the holes for the shelf pins before I assemble the whole piece. My dad was working on a Partscaster once and forgot to do that... the front of that guitar is now really ka-f**ked up. We're looking to refinish that body now... *sigh*. If you mess up, you can fill them in I drill all my holes first, then paint/clear, then gently clean the clear from the holes with a slightly larger bit than used to make the holes. Sure you can use wood filler to fill the old holes and then drill new ones exactly where you want them. I drill first. When i tried to drill holes in a chrome bumper, I used special metal cutting bits and cutting oil. I wet sand with mineral spirits so swelling is a non-issue. I have a small project during which I drill hundreds of little holes (the largest of which is 1/8 in.). Use Naptha to wetsand, never water. by MrWizard44 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:09 pm, Post I didn’t realize that when I was flying by the stick of my broom planned out my posts. The holes will be fine. I drill first. Especially when dealing with vintage and antique furniture. I definitely would go after the paint -- but you have to be careful with that -- make sure you protect the finish on the other side of the guitar -- like, drill on a couple towels or something. Nail holes can ruin the appearance of trim on a wall. Or Use a rag or sponge to wipe off the sand dust. by Jazzprod » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:17 pm, Post Use a larger drill bit to take off any burrs. While I think I could have made the doors, I don’t think it would have been a good investment of my time and I don’t think the end result would have been as nice. For concrete, I couldn't penetrate more than 3/4" into The pegboard and the wood backer protect the surface. Of course after the finish goes on I could see myself re-drilling the holes, because they tend to get all filled up by the sealer and filler. And if the holes are drilled before, there's a risk the wood will rise around the holes when you wet sand the finish if they're not filled with laquer. Forum Responses (Cabinetmaking Forum) From contributor M: After with a Blum Minipress. I wasn't as impressed with the Salice soft close version, but I'm kind of finicky about how things work. by painted wood » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:20 am, Post Use Naptha to wetsand, never water. Question by sookwinder » Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:09 pm, Post Talk about the Fender Jazzmaster, Jaguar, and any other offset waist guitars with us! Before the deglosser evaporates, quickly wipe away the residue with another clean, deglosser-dampened rag. Forum Responses After with a Blum Minipress. Should I drill the holes for the floating shelves before assembly or after painting? Nail holes in exterior surfaces, just as with cracks or gaps, can be dealt with using a good caulking. by the older brother » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:13 pm, Post Post relaxing alternative to doing actual work ... That's a really a great way doing it Sook. by Stereordinary » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:46 pm, Post Do you drill the 35mm cup holes before or after applying the finish? I've heard the Blum works a lot better. First order of business was off to the hardware store for some wood filler. I really liked using that style of hinge more than I thought I would - just so much easier to pop them in and out. I tend to drill the holes for the pickguard before finishing just to make sure I get the pickguard on there dead straight. Using a drill, sockets are made in the concrete where the posts can be securely cemented. So I stick with the press-in. Test Fil-Stik on inside of cabinet door. If you want the most professional looking results, this is the method for you. January 19, 2011, KnowledgeBase: Cabinetmaking: Cabinet Door Construction. Make sure your clean out bit is brand new! The holes will be fine. Drill Installation Method. I learned the hard way what not to do when painting doors and hardware. Before I had the Minipress I bored before finish using a drill press. When the body came back after painting the holes/dents could just be seen and allowed an easy starting point for my battery powered hand drill. (The filler I have on hand always seems to dry out and I just used the Salice version of Inserta with and without soft close on my last two kitchens. This allows you to sand any tear out in the pocket hole area (it happens a lot) without messing up all the time you took to make it look nice. From contributor M: Step 4 Fill the Holes Photo by Brian Wilder If you're relocating the hardware, fill Holes in wood trim are best filled with wood filler. I remember the pros telling me on the reranch site to always test fit everything before painting. by Franco » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:39 pm, Post Even though my project was successful, several things went wrong. by the older brother » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:12 pm, Post So gone are the daunting days of “what-if’ing” on myself… at least when it comes to repositioning furniture hardware and filling in holes! How to spackle nail holes is an important process before painting. Hardware holes and hole spacing isn’t always precise. IMHO it will be cleaner if you drill the holes after paint. This week’s question comes from Avraham. Let’s just take a look at the after before the tutorial… because we can… After wet sanding is done, I cleanup with naphtha and use a toothpick to again open up The screw should fit through the hole without binding. I'd like to paint after assembly and before installing the cases to the wall, so if I drill after paint, access to the holes will be limited. Check your drill bit is'nt blunt as well. If you’re not sure about the color of Fil-Stik to use, we would recommend getting 2 or more color options to test. It's best to fill pround then sand down before papering , lining or painting. Before putting your new handle in place, fill any holes left by old hardware with wood putty, and paint that area. I actually left the filler in the holes a little low so I could see where they are. When it comes to painting before or after the installation, it’s really a chicken or the egg situation. I know my limitations and I am okay with that. Holes If the shell needs any holes drilling (for mirrors, wings, antenna tube, etc), carefully drill those now, using a block of wood to support the body. Best to buy ready mixed and should cost you pennies EDIT Some fillers take only a short time to dry but would suggest at least 12 hours 24 better. If you don't have any scraps of pegboard, you can fashion a jig out of a piece of 1/2" or 1/4" plywood and drill a hole in it slightly larger than the hole required for the mounting screw. On Monday, it was how to restore your hardware in five minutes and today its how to cover old hardware holes. Mark and pre-drill your holes carefully. So I'm using them as reference points really. a good brad point bit should give a very clean hole. Because wood filler can (and does) shrink as it dries, apply a second coat of wood filler, if … Repeat the process of applying a second coating and sanding it after. The brand new one I located everything on the body and then used one of thise spring loaded punches that carpenters / metal workers use to mark a dent/very shallow hole where the screw holes will be. I think the Inserta hinges hold better than the press-in dowels, but I just can't wrap my head around the cost. 2006 If you want to be absolutely sure of no paint on the inside of the tube, you have two choices: drill the holes after painting or drill the holes and plug them before painting. This method requires a core drill or hammer drill with about a 3/8” bit. After making our own cabinets carcasses for the flip house kitchen it was time to order the doors and drawer fronts, get them painted and installed. The existing hardware will just get in the way when filling holes on your cabinets. Before I had the Minipress I bored before finish using a drill press. (Cabinetmaking Forum) Doesn't make sense to me (and my operation) to put all the doors on the Minipress to bore, then finish, then back to the Minipress to press in hinges. Because I want the pulls centered in the drawers and the holes are 1/2″ lower than center, I made sure to mark “TOP” on each drawer as a future, quick look reference. Drawer and door pulls add a decorative value to your cabinetry and have a lot to do with the overall look of your room. A couple were difficult to spot after a few coats so I marked them with nail, but not deep enough to go through the finish. Drilling Holes for Cabinet Pulls Now I just had to find the center on each drawer. I remember the pros telling me on the reranch site to always test fit everything before painting. Drilling a new body shell - before or after painting? Obviously, plugging them is a large labor requirement. How to Make New Holes for Hardware With your old holes filled, now is a great time to drill new holes for the new hardware. You really really really want to drill your new holes before you paint. Dust Collection, Safety and Plant Operation, Job Opportunities and Woodworking Services, A close vote, with comments, on when to bore doors for hinges. This makes sure that the clear does not chip or crack from the screw threads lifting the finish. I drill holes before finishing and open them back up with toothpicks after spraying. Use a 3/16-inch bit to drill the hole. Once you drill your first holes, then you can line up the template. However, after finishing the piece with polyurethane the holes get filled with finish and I end up re-drilling them all. The majority of cabinet knobs are packaged with #8 machine screws, which measure 0.16 inch, or roughly 5/32 inch, in diameter. The best plan is to paint & stain after all cuts and pocket holes are made. I use brad point bits for drilling holes. The secret to filling in the hardware holes seamlessly is is to completely fill the hole with 2 or 3 applications of filler. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. I lightly filled all my holes on my Jag on purpose before I refinished it. Someone knows where I can find the nearest woodchipper to throw my pieces of junk into? Orange looking oak cabinets, no hardware, dark paint, white sink, shiny faucet… it was all bad. After experimenting with several different methods and products, this is how I currently fill old hardware holes for the best results: Fill all the old holes with wood filler, let dry and sand. For that reason I bore after finishing. I figure that if I drill before paint, the paint will change the dimensions of the holes. I couldn't penetrate the chrome. ......below the apes above the angels..... Masking tape on the work surface prevents flaking, spelching, etc leaving a clean hole. How to Fill Nail Holes in Trim. 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