Originally Posted by

**Minxy**
Hi Barry

I always find it easier understanding concepts through visual diagrams and symbols.

The Mobius strip is a good example of an idea of infinity as well as the simple circle.

That is a misuse of the word infinity, explain what property of a mobius strip is infinite.

Originally Posted by

**Minxy**
Often when we imagine infinity we think of something without end, and especially in imagining infinite space, but many of the observable examples of infinity such as the above are based on a recursive principle. The difficult thing here is not neccessarily where does it end and retstart but where does it begin.

Nothing in this universe is infinite.

Originally Posted by

**Minxy**
This similar to the other thread in this section about spirals and where and how do they begin.

Dunno have not read it.

Originally Posted by

**Minxy**
Atoms pop in and out of existence, but what initiates them 'popping in' in the first place? So we still have difficulty with the problem of where and how things begin in the first place let alone discovering where things end.

Much of it is speculation and theory still.

Nothing to do with infinity (and possibly nothing to do with reality either.

Originally Posted by

**Minxy**
Science is a good example of infinity because no discoveries reach a conclusive end, they always lead on to more, therefore no concept is truly defined.

Don't ever fall into the trap of thinking that just what the human mind can produce certainty, still we are our best hope, unless we meet up with a more intelligent species(Gawd help them!)

I didn't get that

Originally Posted by

**Minxy**
Science has discovered so far of the universe but only as far as their instruments can measure or their minds can imagine.

There is still yet more to discover on the physical plane as well as in the human mind.

And that is infinity!

And that is your idea of infinity the very idea that aids the confusion of others.

Infinity is a mathematical concept used to aid certain calculations in every other sense it is irrelevent. You confuse infinity with 'forever' still almost everybody else does. It is a word which to the scientific community has a very precise meaning, to the lay person a very dirfferent meaning.

Now take a look at the results from asnwers.com

1) The quality or condition of being infinite

Pointless definition nothing can be infinite.

2) Unbounded space, time, or quantity.

Neither space time or quantity are unbounded, therefore another pointless definition.

3) An indefinitely large number or amount.

No amount is infinite.

As for numbers these are an invention of man in order to help understand our world, mathematics does not exist in nature and since numbers do not exist,

4)Mathematics. The limit that a function f is said to approach at x = a when f(x) is larger than any preassigned number for all x sufficiently near a.

which brings us to a closer definition, note the word limit, now can anything infinite have a limit? not perfect but it will suffice.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, though I'm not sure about the former. " - Albert Einstein.